This is a total waste of resources that could be better spent on real criminals instead. See I was wrong, that is why I said I wasn't an expert. I had always just assumed it was for the reason I stated. You learn something new every day.
Thanks for everyone correcting my ignorance. Thanks for the info, I was pretty sure the reason just wasn't to "test" the gun. As my. The factory must have ran all 5 rounds thru it, it was sure dirty for a just a couple rounds.
David LaPell. Here in NY, other than just a way to harrass gun owners, it serves no real purpose other than to waste taxpayer money on yet another useless program. On paper and according to that chowderhead running the government in Albany, well, it is supposed to give each gun a ballistic fingerprint.
What most don't realize also, is that there is the fired casing, but for those guns that the NYSP has to fire in Albany in case the manufacturer doesn't include the fired brass, it also gives them a fired bullet to compare the rifling to.
As far as I know there has been no success in NY on any major crime and it costs about 4 million a year to maintain the program. It only collects info from legal guns owned by Honest Citizens that are purchased new. Its a total waste of time and money and only inconviences the honest guns owners. Originally Posted by. Jim McCoin. Here in the peoples republic of california, the clowns in sacramento think every firing pin is unique and a fired case can be used to track down the owner of a specific pistol, that's a joke.
On CNC machinery with proper lubrication the tool wear is so slight that there are probably thousands of firing pins so alike that no differance can be found. The same goes for barrels, the barrel on my M36 would be no different than one made a hundred units before or after, unless the tooling were changed.
I say this after spending years in CNC machine shops. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to vent on this subjest. Terms of Service. All times are GMT The time now is AM. User Name. Remember Me? Thread Tools. I have heard a few different reasons why a spent shell casing is enclosed in the case with a new handgun from the factory. I know someone here will have the right answer. A couple months ago I got my. And replies will be appreciated, as this is kinda been a mystery to me.
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It was a documentary of an investigation and trial where it was claimed an innocent man was framed elaborately for the murder of a friend and neighbor. The damning evidence causing him to be convicted was a fired shell from the case of a missing Springfield Armory 9mm pistol, found identical to the spent casings at the crime scene.
Defense maintained the pistol was lost by his wife, substantiated by a video a year prior of a target shooting event at a remote lake with friends, and maintained there was no casing and suggested the shell was planted by the detectives. I have not purchased a new pistol in a long time. I Googled, and apparently it is a thing in some places. What's up with that? Sac Arrow , Nov 5, My Sigs have always come with a fired empty cartridge in the gun case.
RudyP , Nov 5, Joined: Dec 2, Messages: 2, Display name: Cooter. Cooter , Nov 5, TCABM likes this. That seems like some interesting forensics. Sure, the pin would likely hit the primer in a highly predictable manner when chambered in the same gun, but other than the offset distance what do they get? Ravioli , Nov 5, Joined: Nov 25, Messages: 3, Display name: mondtster.
Ken Ibold , Nov 5, Thanks mondtster. I would have thought the projectile would be more telling, for rifling marks and the like. It is a very interesting science. And for some reason I thought the people picking up their spent brass were all re-loaders. I have only bought one new pistol in my life. It was explained to me that the spent shell was to be turned in when the gun is registered in certain states that require registration of everything that can be used for a weapon.
I inherited 2 pistols that were registered by the previous owner. Both of these pistols were made in the '20s. I was asked if I wanted the registration papers but I declined. Zeldman , Nov 5, The tool marks in the chamber and on the firing pin and ejector can be traced.
Unless, like me, you polish stuff. Like chambers, firing pins, and ejectors. I'll never live in a state that requires registration of certain constitutionally allowed items. Kenny Phillips , Nov 5, Here Georgia there are no such rules. Joined: Feb 28, Messages: 1, Display name: Warlock.
Texas as well no such thing Warlock , Nov 5, Just goes to show you should use a revolver instead of an automatic if you're going to shoot somebody Dana , Nov 5, Hank S likes this. As a detective, I laugh at the idea of planted evidence To frame someone because??? The public seems to think there is this "pressure" to solve cases.
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